(The bio is from the webiste)  Rik J. Deitsch (SAB Chairman) Mr. Deitsch holds both a B.S. in chemistry and an M.S. in biochemistry from Florida Atlantic University. He conducted his Ph.D. Research for the Duke University Medical School Comprehensive Cancer Center. Currently, he is the Chief Executive Officer for Nutra Pharma Corporation, a publicly traded biotechnology and pharmaceutical company dedicated to researching neurological disorders and viral diseases. Mr. Deitsch is the co-author of the book, Are You Age Wise?: What You Need to Know to Stay Young and Healthy, and has authored several papers on rational drug design using computer simulations. He currently teaches at Florida Atlantic University's Continuing Education Department and College of Business. He also teaches CME courses internationally.

Waiora conference call, Sunday, Nov. 20, 2005.  Notes typed by Karuna Thal.  All the essential information  from Rik Deitsch is very complete and accurate.  Some of what the interviewer said was ommitted.  There is nothing added. May all beings benefit.   Karuna~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rik J. Deitsch

.... This zeolite has a very specific reactivity series.  We know what it likes.  It likes the heavier metals.  It loves mercury, arsenic, cadmium, and lead.  It has a very low affinity for things like calcium, magnesium, sodium and phosphorus.  In fact there was one study published.... there were 3 studies conducted, there was one large study on ruminants.  They wanted to see, if we feed this to animals would they be nutrient depleted because the zeolite would pull out the essential nutrients, things like calcium, magnesium.

They found that with and without supplementation of the diet with these nutrients...the animals that took zeolite had much better nutritional status than those that did not.  It was found, that zeolite would not pull out healthy minerals, which is a danger in classic chelation therapy. In fact because of removing these heavy metals and allowing the body to prepare itself a little better, they actually had better nutritional status overall than the animals that didn't use the zeolite.

Dr. K  (Interviewer) People are subjected to the heavy metals you mentioned from driving on the freeway, living near factories....Is anybody in the United States, or around the world that is free of these metals?

RD: There's no such place as “pristine” anymore, I don't think, anywhere in the world, unless you go to a mountain on the top of the world, where the air is thin enough that these things might not navigate there.

I do invite everybody to go to the U. S Environmental Protection Agency website:   www.epa.gov.

It's a government web site.  The Environmental Protection Agency keeps right on the website something called the Toxic Load Data Base.  You can look up what sort of toxins we're exposed to on a daily basis, how that builds up over time, and depending where you live, what kind of exposure you can expect to get.

It's pretty scary stuff. There are lots of people who think that they're very low risk. Just because we eat, live, and breathe we're pulling these toxins into our bodies.

(This zeolite) is pretty much an invincible compound.  It takes almost 900 degrees 5 hours to try and crack the molecules.....It does just as well in acid as in base.  It can't be destroyed by your stomach acid. It can't be destroyed by putting it in your hot coffee or tea or hot soup.  It's not going to damage the molecule whatsoever.

Dr. K   Recommended dosage for people using the product initially--a lot of the distributors have been recommending, as an initial detox, 10 drops 3 times a day.  Then use 3 drops 3 times a day.

RD:  That's correct.  We standardized the product to contain approximately 220 mg per milliliter or the active zeolite.  If you're using, 3 drops 3 times a day, the maintenance dose, you're getting approximately 75 mg of the active zeolite a day, which matches a lot of the clinical work that's been done.

The higher dose, 10 drops 3 times a day, as much as 15 drops 3 times a day, approaches the 350 to 400 mg a day of zeolite that's been used in the actual treatment of disease that's outlined in the patent.

Dr. K:  I want to be clear, we're not treating disease.  We're boosting the immune system, we're detoxifying your body.  Obviously if someone had some issues, where maybe they had a low immune system, colds or flus....and were feeling low energy, they might feel better without those toxins, so we might recommend a higher dosage to eliminate those toxins.  Wouldn't that be right?

RD: That's absolutely correct.  Understand, there's no upper limit. The product is considered to be completely safe and non-toxic.

Just to be cost effective, the higher recommendation is considered to be 10 to 15 drops 3 times a day.

Dr. K:  Recommended dosage for people less than 50 pounds?

DR: That becomes kind of bottom line.  We're giving 75 mg, that's what been used in animals, it's been used in infants.  Yes, the 3 drops 3x/day is perfectly safe and effective.

Dr. K. Please speak to balancing of pH and upregulatintg the p21, tumor suppressor gene.

DR: First let me give you my one-minute lecture on what pH is.  Water is H2O. Hydrogen has a plus one charge; oxygen has a minus 2 charge, so H20 is in essence neutral....

If you think of H2O as HOH, that can separate. You can have an H+ and OH minus.  If you have exactly that--HOH, then you have neutral pH, which is 7.  You can wind up with extra Hydrogen ions, H+, that is more acidic....Lower than 7 is considered acidic, higher is considered basic.

The pH scale is logarithmic, so a pH of 6 is 10 times more acidic than a pH of 7.  A pH of 5 is 100 times more acidic than a pH of 7.

If you have more hydroxyl groups, the OH, you become more basic, the pH goes up, it becomes more alkaline.

If you have a pH of 8, for example you are 10 times more basic than pH 7. That's my pH lecture in a nutshell.

 pH is very important in the body.  Acidic pH in the digestive tract, in the stomach, allows you to digest your food.  The pH in serum, your systemic pH should be slightly alkaline, around 7.4.  The body usually controls that very well.  Everything controls pH in our body, including our breathing.  If we work out to excess and create more lactic acid, our breathing will change to allow more carbon dioxide into our blood vessels to balance it out by creating carbonic acid.  So even our breathing controls our pH.

We screw things up usually with diet.  When we're on, for example, low carb high protein diets we can produce ketone bodies.  The body has to make glucose to feed our brain.  It goes through a process...the side process creates ketone bodies.....Ketone acidosis is because our bodies have gone through this process.  It creates an acidic environment in bloodstream.  The more acidic our bloodstream becomes, the better the breeding ground is for bacteria, mold, yeast and the like, and the less our immune system can be reactive to that.  The immune system doesn't work well at an acidic pH.

The zeolite works just like it works in its regular physical mechanism of binding toxins.  It attracts to itself positively charged ions.  The H+ carries a plus one charge.  The hydrogen is so small, it doesn't really get trapped inside the zeolite. It moves into and out of the zeolite kind of randomly.

Where there's a preponderance of protons, where there are a lot of these, they're going to move into the zeolite shell.  It locally buffers...and raises the surrounding pH to be more alkaline.

When it does that in the digestive tract it helps stabilize against acid reflux.  So a lot of people who use the product find they have less incidence of acid reflux.

In the system it's even better because a more alkaline system can have a stronger immune system, and can stabilize a lot of the functions of enzymes.  It can also lower the incidence of bacteria growth, yeast growth, and mold growth.

All these are downstream implications of a very simple mechanism of action.

Dr. K:  By balancing body's pH, immune system works better because....the body works better at a slightly alkaline state.

RD:  Correct.

Dr. K:  How does NCD react differently from other anti-oxidants, which...render free radicals helpless?  The anti-oxidants that people take will work better when the heavy metals are removed, correct?

RD:  Most classic anti-oxidants such as vitamin C, E, glutathione function either by donating or accepting an electron, thereby stabilizing free radicals, and stopping it's negative action.

Zeolite is completely different.  A lot of these free radicals carry a charge.  The zeolite, in fact, swallows the whole free radical...It's a completely different mechanism. But it doesn't work on all of them. Some free radicals are way are too large to be attracted to the zeolite or fit inside the zeolite. So it doesn't negate the need for a healthful diet of fruits and vegetables with supplementation with a strong anti-oxidant.

Dr. K:  Will this have a negative effect on kidneys?  How does it help our livers? I tell people if they use the zeolite to pull metals out of the body, it takes the burden off of the liver.

RD: That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Many people attracted to the use of the NCD have heard about detoxification, and have tried other forms of detoxification.  Many detox programs...are diuretic or laxative based to clear the body. They do draw toxins out of adipose tissue, or out of muscle.  When they free up then they can interact with the liver, and with the kidneys, with other cells in the blood stream, and it can cause all sorts of what we call detoxification syndrome.

The Natural Cellular Defense works a little differently, because it is a zeolite, and it literally traps those toxins inside the molecule, where in essence they can't really cause too much damage.  They're trapped in the molecule and they're not free to react with the outside space.

 It stays in the body 5 go 6 hours. This is why we recommend taking it 3 times a day.  We try to keep a dose that's always circulating.  In essence, you ingest a clean molecule, and excrete a dirty one. It's taking everything along with it.

There are a few people that have detoxification syndrome.  It's a very small percentage. Most of the people that feel anything will feel something that's akin to a diuretic action. Because a lot of these toxins are positively charged the body treats them like electrolytes.

You remove these mercuries and leads and cadmiums.  They carry a charge, which allows your bloodstream to hold more water.  That's electrolytic action.  So when you remove them from the body, sometimes you loose water along with them. You can get these dehydration side effects--muscle cramping, headaches, back pain associated with kidney pain.  All that goes away just by drinking enough water.  When you're using NCD you have to drink 8 to 10 glasses of water a day.  That takes care of 99.99% of any most detox effects you will have.

The liver has the ability to rebuild itself given the opportunity. Once you take that pressure off the organs, once you're actually cleaning out the body, the liver has all the time in the world to rebuild and replenish itself, and we've actually seen this in people with liver disease.

If you can do a 4th bedtime dose that's even better.  A dose at breakfast, lunch, dinner and bedtime is the perfect solution.

Dr. K: The bird flu and other flues are all over the TV.   NCD has the ability to cut down on viral assembly in the body.  We're not talking about a cure for any of these diseases, but we're talking about cutting down on viral assembly.  Let's speak to that.

RD.  The best way to prevent getting the flu is to simply to wash your hands. The flu is usually transmitted when you shake somebody's hands and rub your eyes....If you have the urge to rub your eyes, or your nose, if you're going to eat wash your hands before you do so.  That advice alone will cut down on 80% of flu cases. So that's the first thing you do.

There are have been 2 published studies on the effect of zeolite against viruses.  One was entero viruses, which are digestive viruses, and one was against strains of herpes. They found they did lower viral loads in both these studies. The proposed mechanisms of action has been shown both in vitro and in vivo--in test tube studies and in people.  That is in preventing viral assembly.

First let me explain how a virus assembles, how a virus replicates.  When a virus makes copies of itself it doesn't make a whole virus.  It makes pieces.  A virus will get into our cells. It will inject its DNA or RNA into our cells and kidnap or hijack our cell's machinery to make copies of itself.  It makes all these little pieces of itself, which then need to be put together.

To put the pieces together the virus makes an enzyme called viral protease, which goes around and snips and cuts all these viral pieces so they fit together better.  When it does so the pieces take on a charge.  Because they're highly charged, now they fit together.... in a process called self-assembly.  They have another process called maturation.  Now it's a whole virus and it can affect another cell.

What the zeolite seems to do, is during active replication, once that viral protease snips those pieces and they carry a high charge, now they're small enough and charged enough to fit inside the cage of the zeolite and be evacuated from the body.

In fact in one of the in vitro studies, in working with a form of herpes virus you could actually see the viral particles attracted to the zeolite like iron filings to a magnet.

By removing those pieces, the virus now cannot self assemble, and it can't mature, and it can't attack the cells.  Using the analogy of building a car--you have all these parts gathered.  You're missing a few spark plugs, you're missing a few pieces of the engine, the timing belt--the car's not going to work.  It's just going to sit there.  It would not go anywhere.

That's what happens to these viruses.  (End of tape---end of call)

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